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darrylhaines · Aug 16, 2006, 07:41 AM // 07:41

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Originally Posted by vinegrower

How is this any different than the different language districts that exist on the European districts? Europeans are even more likely to be bilingual than Americans, yet they still have the other districts.

I think that Anet should add a new district for south America, considering that it's on a different continent.

As for the reason we have so many districts in Europe is because we have a hell of a lot more countries and languages over here than you lot across the pond. You didn't think that us in the U.K. made up Europe all by ourselves did you ?

We have a French district for..hmmm who could go there... the French perhaps.

We also have a German and Italian districts as well.

Why do you think we have them.... no offence mate, but it's just a tad straight forward.

NeHoMaR · Aug 16, 2006, 10:17 AM // 10:17

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Originally Posted by Griev

Don't divide people. Force them together and make the understand eachother, lol.

/notsigned.

OK, I will buy Anet and change all GW to spanish, and I will force YOU to play in spanish, speak in spanish via TS/Vent, and NOT sign and ignore ALL suggestions you post about adding english districts to the game.

dare49devil · Aug 16, 2006, 10:38 AM // 10:38

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

OK, I will buy Anet and change all GW to spanish, and I will force YOU to play in spanish, speak in spanish via TS/Vent, and NOT sign and ignore ALL suggestions you post about adding english districts to the game.

HAHAHAHA. I just spent the last half hour carefully reading this thread and all posts. Sorry for alot of the flaming people did.

But this post you just made kinda messed yourself up.

I own a vent with two other buddies. We host some guilds, and public channels. Fifty man slot server. We have a French Guild in there. Sometimes we get Spanish Speaking people in there too using the public channels. What do they speak when I listen to them? Their native tongues. I am sorry you are having a hard time to find some spanish speaking friends...But it seems to me you are looking in the wrong places. It seems to me that other people can find people of their native tongue and use ventilo/ts to organize if they want to do something.

NeHoMaR · Aug 16, 2006, 02:18 PM // 14:18

I am in a near 1.000 people alliance (all latin) but that doesn't mean they are always available for me; For example, I just created a new pve prophecies character for remember my old days in pre-sear, but I personally don't like a party of 2 people and being forced to speak english; You can't find magically a friend all the time for pre-sear. Another BIG example is HA, maybe the biggest one problem; I am good writing english, but is not the same thing listen (voice) and understand it in TS/Vent, it's very difficult. My alliance is big but only 10% is online all time, and most of that is doing pve. I feel really stuck in my rank, and guilds in my allicance are new or not too serious about HA. I am rank 3, done through stupid no ts/vent pugs and this is becoming VERY frustrating. Imagine you can't use ts/vent because all pugs (and top guilds) speak a language you don't understand; And the alliance where you are is PvE; How far you think you will go in your rank?

Gorebrex · Aug 16, 2006, 02:58 PM // 14:58

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

America is a whole continent with a lot of countries, 90% spanish (only USA/Canada/Brazil don't speak spanish) IMO it's really WRONG believe America = USA.

And in the name of God, please understand that I (and all latins) want to play with people that 100% understand me, my language, my culture, INCLUDING PUGS in missions, HA, etc., not only my guild. It's that so hard to understand?

What's wrong in adding Latin Districit option? Anet don't need buy anything, the servers will be the same, the Americans one; And we will be fighting for America in HA. It's as simple as rename American District 7 to Latin District 1, that's all!

About that stats, I am talking about America (the whole continent) not all world; Remember we are talking about American server.
OMG! "the states"? You ovbiouslly not reading all thread.

Been reading through this post, and came across the above, then I went into total WTF mode. I hate t break it to you, but if you go to just about anyone in Europe, and as them to point to America on a map, they'll point to the US, NOT both Northern and Southern continents. You opinion that "it's really WRONG believe America = USA" is WAY off, as most people DO make that assumption.
The second part, I DO understand, but you have to consider its not as easy as throwing an "Initiate Spanish Speaking Server" switch. ANet would need it to MAKE money, buy drawing in enough customers to cover the cost of the server and bandwidth(mostly bandwidth). Just changing an American district to spanish creates more congestion/lag crowding on the other American servers. You would need another server to allieviate that crowding. I can see ANet(possibly) placing a separate server for French speakers in Canada, as Im sure they have offices there, meaning needed resources are closer. It would be great for players, as if French speakers there went to the new server, less lag for all, as well as being able to communicate more effectively with teammates/party members, whichever you prefer.

frickett · Aug 16, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05

I am an english speaker. and am very happy that guild wars has english speaking districts for north america. If the spanish speaking community here wants to have a district where their language is the prefered language, I cant see that it is a bad idea.

edited for spelling.

Sli Ander · Aug 16, 2006, 03:19 PM // 15:19

For those of you who don't wish to read the whole thread, heres a quick summary:
1. Theres an argument about the use of the term 'America' as refering to the American continent, as some people are assuming it just means the US(it was used confusingly in the op).
2.Some people think it would be good to have a spanish language district, as this would make it easier for people to play the game in their native tongue.
3. Critics of that idea believe it is seperatist in two ways: It will mean that everybody will want their own language district. This will thin out the population in the english districts(someone noted this has already happened in the European Servers). The second way is that it would simply divide the community more.
4.While the language specific districts would help some players, some have noted that everybody seems to be able to get along just fine. In my own post I noted that I don't believe the demand is high enough for Anet to justify the change.
5.Others have also noted problems with simply changing the last district to a Spanish district: lag times would be increased, and servers would be bogged down by these possibly empty districts. In other words, the resources may not be readily available as the coding and logistics involved are not a simple change.
6. Supporters say that there is demand for these servers, and that the convenience of being able to use their native tongue would make the game more fun. IMHO, if there is demand, then such a change would also bring in more players who have stayed away due to the dominant language making life difficult in-game.

These are just my interpretations from reading this thread, for other peoples convenience. If I've misinterpreted or missed something, please let me know as (if this thread gets much longer) I'll continue editing and reposting this so that we have a well informed debate, instead of an ignorant flame fest. Also, please stay on topic, though I may find the politics interesting I'd really like to hear more about whether this idea can/should be implemented.

vinegrower · Aug 16, 2006, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Originally Posted by darrylhaines

I think that Anet should add a new district for south America, considering that it's on a different continent.

As for the reason we have so many districts in Europe is because we have a hell of a lot more countries and languages over here than you lot across the pond. You didn't think that us in the U.K. made up Europe all by ourselves did you ?

We have a French district for..hmmm who could go there... the French perhaps.

We also have a German and Italian districts as well.

Why do you think we have them.... no offence mate, but it's just a tad straight forward.

Why are you attacting me? You obviously didn't understand what I typed. I was responding to a person that way saying that making a spanish district shouldn't be done because it was "a Separatist attitude." So I was asking him how the American territory having two language districts was any different than the European territory haveing multiple language districts. Europe has multiple countries with different languages. The Americas have multiple countries with differnt languages. It would be the same deal.

I know Europe has several differnt languages, THAT WAS MY POINT. You guys have been making the several language districts work just fine. We now want the same thing for those countries in the Americas that speak something other than spanish.

Please read carefully before you go attacking me next time.

Dr Strangelove · Aug 16, 2006, 05:12 PM // 17:12

To be honest, it's exceedingly rare to see Spanish speakers ingame. I know the OP's theory is that they are all forced to speak english, but doesn't that sound a bit like a conspiracy theory? "There are hundreds of thousands of primary SPanish language players, but every single one knows english and chooses to speak in only English in the chat". I see a lot more French speakers from Canada than any other foreign language. Perhaps it has to do with the relative affluence of Canada and the US compared to Latin America?

Inde · Aug 17, 2006, 06:14 AM // 06:14

Let's talk about derailing a topic here... this is not a political, cultural, racism, or statistics debate. I've had to delete just over 40 posts in a 90 post thread, please try to keep this civil or the topic will be locked.

samifly · Aug 17, 2006, 07:12 AM // 07:12

/signed - America is a continent. I asummed they meant America in the same way they mean Europe, so they include canada, mexico, costa rica, etc...

Edit: Re: Gorebrex - If you ask anyone who actually lives on the continent, especialy someone from central or southern america, when you ask them to point to america, they will point to the continent, not to the USA.

Skyy High · Aug 17, 2006, 07:59 AM // 07:59

Yes, let's split the community up even more.

Seriously...how minutely tiny would American-based spanish- or french-speaking districts be? You would never be able to find a group, outside of your current guild/alliance....which means you'd still be forced to group with the same people you are right now, if you want to speak spanish in-game.

d4nowar · Aug 17, 2006, 08:01 AM // 08:01

Don't need the code. Already have Int Districts. Places you actually need it (HA... well HA is about it) will use them. There are generally 3 or 4 int districts at one time. Although they are now just filled with Americ-oh wait...-USAians(wtf?).

Make friends. Play on Euro servers for a week to see if you like it. Hang out in Int districts. Learn to understand the phrases you need for GW in English =P.

Omega X · Aug 17, 2006, 09:35 AM // 09:35

/Not Signed

For multiple reasons.

I won't go into it again since Inde is in ninja mode.

Undivine · Aug 17, 2006, 09:43 AM // 09:43

Some people have asked where the economic justification for this change is. Think about it though. In Quebec a lot of them don't speak any english at all. I'm sure the same is true in South America. Now why would those people play Guild Wars when everything is in english? I mean, everyone we meet on Guild Wars seems to know english, but perhaps that's because those who don't speak it have no interest in a game that doesn't give them the option for their language.

I think if they create a district for a certain audience, they will attract that audience.

NeHoMaR · Aug 17, 2006, 11:53 AM // 11:53

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Originally Posted by d4nowar

Don't need the code. Already have Int Districts. Places you actually need it (HA... well HA is about it) will use them. There are generally 3 or 4 int districts at one time. Although they are now just filled with Americ-oh wait...-USAians(wtf?).

Make friends. Play on Euro servers for a week to see if you like it. Hang out in Int districts. Learn to understand the phrases you need for GW in English =P.

International Districts are ALSO english, you must speak english. Make friends? Learn to understand the phrases? WHY? Why I must do that and not you? Remember this game is MULTILanguage, I can play it in full spanish, this game is NOT only for english speaker. Do you think that Spanish option is only for Spain? I don't think so, because the game client comes with spanish, the one you download in GW official ENGLISH website. ArenaNet is just forgetting us, and that mistake is not new, long time ago European District 1, 2, 3.. was the only available in Europe; not language by language.

Numa Pompilius · Aug 17, 2006, 01:37 PM // 13:37

1) I'm guessing many of the non-English speaking americans (if there are any who are playing Guildwars, that is) are playing in the EU spanish district. That is of course a perfectly viable solution, although there are some differences between european spanish and southamerican spanish.

2) More language districts don't cause lag in themselves. The whole point of GW being all instanced is that instances are created ON DEMAND. If there isn't a single person playing in the Italian district (and there often isn't), then it doesn't exist outside the drop-down menu. There are no empty servers idling away maintaining an empty persistant world.

3) Yes, different language districts do spread out the population, but only if there is demand for them. Right as of now, there are as many German districts as there are English districts on the EU servers - if there was no german district, would the German players be in the English district speaking English, would they be in the English district talking German, or would they not be playing at all?

As there are only two Spanish districts at the moment (compared to six each of German and English) it seems to me the demand for Spanish language districts are pretty low. Or possibly spanish-speakers from the US don't want to switch to the EU to play in Spanish, which, if so, also suggests it's not a very important issue.

I still support the creation of a Spanish US district, though, because I think there is an untapped market there, from California to Patagonia.

darrylhaines · Aug 17, 2006, 01:46 PM // 13:46

It was Language by Language here in Europe mainly as it was released by country, not by continent I think (have to ask around for that info). Either that or because in Europe, Spanish, German, French, Italian and English are the main Languages, and thus for Anet to cash in big time (as in sell the game all over Europe) they built in the main languages for the region hence there called the European Districts.

The American District is for America (As in what the whole world calls the United States of America). As English is the founding language over there (Even if they can't spell it the Queens why.....We don't hold it against you

) the districts are in English.

It's not called "the America's" district now is it.

If it was it probably would include the various languages of the various countries that are in the North American and South American Continents.

I suppose that Anet would have to figure out if buying some more equipment and setting up a south American district would be worth it, i.e. how well is Guild wars selling in the south American countries.

If and only if it hasn't sold above a benchmark number would Anet not pay out for something that isn't that profitable in that part of the world.

I'm not saying that that's what has happened, but at the end of the day it's Anet's decision not mine.

/signed.

NeHoMaR · Aug 20, 2006, 06:36 AM // 06:36

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Originally Posted by darrylhaines

I suppose that Anet would have to figure out if buying some more equipment and setting up a south American district would be worth it, i.e. how well is Guild wars selling in the south American countries.

If and only if it hasn't sold above a benchmark number would Anet not pay out for something that isn't that profitable in that part of the world.

/signed.

The only they need is add the option for select a Latin District, that will be the same as any American District 1,2,3,.... the same server, not buying anything, not need to be profitable.

And 95% of GW copies sold in latinamerican countries, are originally bought in USA, then mailed to that country. ArenaNet has no idea how many players are in latinamerican countries. The only way they will know is with threads like this one and/or polls, etc.

mariano · Aug 20, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05

I play in the European servers... (I mean European continent, I do not mean just the European Union

; still less I do not mean just France, Germany, Italy and England ).

In European servers there are different districts for English, German, French, Spanish and Italian, besides the International District.

The bigger number of districts use to be either English or German -it it is not rare that a at time there are more German districts than English-, then French, then Spanish, and last Italian.

Any player may jump to any of these districts, and in some missions, like the Raisu Palace's mission, a PUG may start to be made in the English district and go collecting players in the German, French, Spanish... districts.

Most players who speak other languages like: Polish, Swedish, Dutch, Stonian, ... use to play in the English district, and, although, they write in English most often, it is not so rare to read Dutch, or Polish, ... ,particularly, for guilds looking for members.

Certainly, in Europe languages like English, French, Spanish, Italian, "grosso modo" match nationalities. I do not know whether Arena Net thinks in nationalities, or in languages, or a mix of both things for deciding whether having a district or not. It is a trivial thing that commercial expectations are pertinent for this. Any case, in my view, for a player language is more relevant, than, nationality, but, the most relevant thing is neither nationality, nor language, the most relevant thing is just to find someone else with whom to play -or against whom to play.

I neither sign nor not sign this petition of having a Latin district in the America region -or: should I write "the Americas region"?, because I play in the European region.

P.S.: I think that whether America is understood in the sense of being a continent, or in the sense of being a Nation, is not an objetive reason to decide. As a Gw's region I understand that "America" stands for "the continent America"; do not ask me why despite of may be being two they are called both America.
This problem regards me of whether in GW a spell is a skill or a skill is a spell, because skill has a general sense, meaning either a spell, shout, a ritual, etcetera and a type sense, meaning only a type of skill named "skill". In a similar manner, America has a most general sense by which it means the continent (North, Central and South), and America has a national sense by which it means USA.